My favorite is the new light on how the FDS are NOT appointed yet....so for 90+ years theyve been teaching something false. Make sure you ask before hand "Brother yoyo, if something isnt true then what is it?" Chances are theyll say false.....then hammer them with how they arent appointed and the organized book says this is one reason why we can trust them...and the fact that they are presumptukus enough to say that Jesus WIlL appoint them.....subverting the big man once again.
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Best "wake-up-call"-arguments?!
by Mr Fool inhi everyone .
it was not my intention to write here anymore, but i found things that caught my interest, things that i feel to share in the hope of someone finds it interesting.. the core is that the wt surprisingly admits that what "we" believe in, is after all, only opinions (awake 2000 june 22 page9-11 "do not be a victim of propaganda).. anyone with a scan of thiese pages would make my day ;-) the questions/arguments below are built around this:.
feel free to find better arguments ;-).
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PLEASE - Dwelling Together in Unity in PDF
by ALEX_2003 ini want please
- dwelling together in unity in pdf
if possible the new version
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Anyone know of or have the updated version?
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New book - "Journey to Gods House" by Brock Talon
by AnnOMaly inthis thread's in tandem with clarity's started here in the members only section.. remember the jwn poster livingthedream from 2 years ago?
his threads often had me in stitches and he had a real knack of hooking you into the story so that you kept reading.
who of us could forget the account of the booming voice of 'god' ordering a double chocolate chip ice cream?
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Alright bought it and downloaded the nook app to read in secret
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Humans used a hearth for fire and cooking 300,000 years ago!
by Comatose inhttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140127101236.htm.
summary:.
when did humans really begin to control fire and use it for their daily needs?
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Honestly they WANT it to be true....in fact the topic of evolution bores and scares them because to them (me at times) its not nearly as attractive or cool as what heaven or the "new system" will be like. Imagination outweighs reality because theyve learned to be cynical toward The physical world.
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The Bible's Buried Secrets, new findings on how the ancient Israelites became supposedly monotheistic
by Finkelstein ini viewed this tv series recently and found the information interesting to say the least.. here is part 2 which got my attention the most.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyd0lzmile8.
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Elder and i discussed beards, and got into rules and regulations
by Jon Preston induring a study the elder brought out that eating blood and omens are from the devil, and brought me to leviticus 19:26 (i think).. in verse 27 i says this:.
you must not shave the hair on the side of your head or disfigure the edges of your beard.. i said: "so why are we not allowed to have beards?".
elder: "thats a good question, cleric.
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Precisely DD...it contradicts itself....not to mention is not logical at all. He even disagreed with the rule not to have beards, yet had to really twist things to obey the shepards....
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Elder and i discussed beards, and got into rules and regulations
by Jon Preston induring a study the elder brought out that eating blood and omens are from the devil, and brought me to leviticus 19:26 (i think).. in verse 27 i says this:.
you must not shave the hair on the side of your head or disfigure the edges of your beard.. i said: "so why are we not allowed to have beards?".
elder: "thats a good question, cleric.
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During a study the elder brought out that eating blood and omens are from the devil, and brought me to Leviticus 19:26 (i think).
in verse 27 i says this:
“‘You must not shave the hair on the side of your head or disfigure the edges of your beard.
I said: "So why are we not allowed to have beards?"
elder: "Thats a good question, Cleric. I feel the same as u sometimes. In fact when something controversial comes up in the elders meeting i usually say 'im gonnna grow a beard then!' Lol. But think about this: If we allow beards whats the next thing we must do?"
Me: (knowing how legalistic they are)"You would come up with a list of rules and regukations about how it should be trimmed."
elder: correct.
me: but the bible doesnt say that...
elder: Well there are better hygiene techniques now than in the Bible and its really based on culture for what the brothers allow. But brother isnt it easier to say "if you have a beard u cant have priviledgs"? Or is it better to make a bunch more rules and regukations after allowing it? And think about this: Political people rarely have beards or mustaches...they want to appear clean. How much more so that Jehovahs peoe should.
Me: But Elder, whis world is this?
elder: satans.
Me: So why are we not allowing brithers to have beards based on Satans system and what he accepts with ones culture? And if we want to appear clean and pure why have Mustaches? To me mustaches are much more creepy and unclean looking than Beards. Not to mention our culture doesnt look at mistaches as attractive or "clean" it makes the individual appear more untrustworthy in many peoples opinions.
Elder: well we just dont want to further burden brothers by putting more rules and regulations on them.
after this he twisted and turned words to help me appreciate this loving areangement by Jehovah. I agreed to disagree but said i understand what he was saying.
But good Lord!!!! Really? Lol
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Sunday School etc....
by quellycatface ini have never understood why the jw's did'nt have a sunday school or some kind of educational thing going for children.
it seems pretty selfish and antiquated.. i remember growing up, i was terrified of "satan" and "the demons".
not forgetting the "jehovah is watching you" crapola.. i think it's wrong letting young kids listen to fairly adult themed talks, items etc....it's got to affect them mentally.. any thoughts?.
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I chatted with a bro last night about this and he said how happy he was that the kids dont have sunday school. He said when he grew up in the church he took sunday school classes and rarely learned Bible principles....he says Witnesses prepare their mids to pay attention and learn patience....
lol
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Don't Question GOD! (aka the governing body)
by sunny23 indid a simple search in the wt library for words like, "question," "questioning," "doubts/ing,"obey," "understand.".
these are listed in order of occurence oldest to newest (up to 2012 as my library is 2012 version).
"if we have love for jehovah and for the organization of his people we shall not be suspicious, but shall, as the bible says, 'believe all things,' all the things that the watchtower brings out"qualified to be ministers (1955) p.156.
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heres the kicker--if u refused to believe they were appointed over the belongs prior to this change you could and probably would be discellowshipped......so any who didnt believe this for 90 years were df'ed? Lol
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What other religious groups are ...
by EdenOne inb) teach conditional salvation based primarily on faith in christ?.
c) refuse eternal torment in a literal fiery hell?.
d) refuse the immortality of the soul?.
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From wiki:
The Christadelphian community in Britain effectively dates from Thomas's first lecturing tour (May 1848 – October 1850). His message was particularly welcomed in Scotland, and Campbellite, Unitarian andAdventist friends separated to form groups of "Baptised Believers". Two thirds of ecclesias, and members, in Britain before 1864 were in Scotland. [ 8 ] [ 9 ] [ 10 ] In 1849, during his tour of Britain, he completed (a decade and a half before the name Christadelphian was conceived)Elpis Israel [ 11 ] in which he laid out his understanding of the main doctrines of the Bible.
Since his medium for bringing change was print and debate, it was natural for the origins of the Christadelphian body to be associated with books and journals, such as Thomas's Herald of the Kingdom.
In his desire to seek to establish Biblical truth and test out orthodox Christian beliefs through independent scriptural study he was not alone and, amongst other churches, he also had links with Adventistmovement and with Benjamin Wilson (who later set up the Church of God of the Abrahamic Faith in the 1860s).
interesting correlation to the IBS.